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  • Can Electronics cause TC?

    Hello,

    This is just a question, could having a laptop on your lap potentially cause TC?

    Would putting an object such as a blanket, pillow or book underneath prevent radiation?

    Thanks

  • #2
    Hi! It is very controversial theme regarding any cancer...not only TC. But in general, the laptop with wifi and cell phone in the pocket - both are electronic devices which can have some impact on your body and the cells in a TC, very close to the area where you have this device. And they might somehow "change" the cells behaviour.

    I don't know whether some studies exists but personally...I am trying to avoid carrying cell phone in the pocket (close to my remaining) and laptop on my lap - but it's just my personal feeling
    04/24/2015 – pain in the right testicle – USG confirmed mass, blood results B-HCG = 12 U/l, AFP = 6.14 ug/l, LDH = 9,
    05/05/2015 – I/O (100% Embryonal carcinoma, LVI presented)
    05/06/2015 – post-operative CT scan negative, 2xBEP suggested
    6/2015 - surveillance (my decision)
    7/2015, 9/2015 - markers negative
    9/2015 - 2nd CT negative, 6 months later CT re-checked and found one node which measured 16x12mm
    10/2015, 1/2016, 2/2016 - markers negative
    2/2016 - 3rd CT scan - 2 nodes (border) - 12x8mm, 13x9mm
    3/2016, 5/2016, 8/2016, 11/2016, 2/2017 - markers negative
    2/2017 - 4th CT scan - 11x7mm (was 12x8mm) and 8x5mm (was 16x12mm)
    7/2017 - markers negative

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    • #3
      Hard to say. I carried two phones in my pockets for a few years. No idea if its related to my TC or not though.
      6/5/15: bHCG 27,AFP 8.66, LDH 361, 5.6cm lymph node - Stage IIC
      6/16/15: Left I/O 85% EC, 10% chorio, 5% yolk sac opinion 2 (mayo) 90% EC, 10% yolk sac
      7/7/15: bHCG 56, AFP 42, LDH 322
      7/13/15 - 9/18/15: 4xEP
      10/1/15: bloodwork normal, ct scan shows 2 lymph nodes 1.0cm
      10/26/15: 2nd opinion on CT results - lymph nodes normal. Surveillance!
      4/6/16: 1.7cm X 1.5cm lymph node found with markers normal.
      4/20/16: RPLND @ IU - teratoma only!
      3/29/2018 all clears up to this date!

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      • #4
        I've read there is a fair controversy about cell phone radiation, mostly about potential for brain cancers, though. I havent heard anything about laptops. I woukdn't say it's not possible though.
        Last edited by Davepet; 02-04-16, 05:34 PM.
        Jan, 1975: Right I/O, followed by RPLND
        Dec, 2009: Left I/O, followed by 3xBEP

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        • #5
          So if you remember the days when the mobile phone clopped to your belt and some had antennas, well had a couple over a number of years but in exactly the spot were that hit the side of my abdomen was where I developed a mole a few years latter and had its removed and checked. It was "harmless" but I would really put a phone in my front pocket and I am not too happy when I see girls storing them in their bras.
          >>>>>>>>>
          TC1: May 2001 / Right orchiectomy / seminoma stage 1 / Radiation
          TC2: July 2008 / Left orchiectomy / seminoma stage 1 / X2 Prostheses / Reandron (long term Testosterone injections)

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          • #6
            I totally agree with the controversy of the subject but from my personal experience I started using my laptop on my lap, and not on a table/desk, on August on a daily basis and on December I found a lump on my right testicle.

            Sounds like a total coincidence but there it is.
            05 Jan 16 US: Testicular Mass/ no other findings, CT: all clear, 1cm haemangioma in liver, AFP 5.6 IU/ml
            13 Jan Rigth I/O
            21 Jan Path: Pure Seminoma, no other invasions pT1
            02 Feb Oncologist “Surveillance, but check AFP again"
            03 Feb AFP 12.3 IU/ml
            08 Feb AFP 9.9 IU/ml
            17 Feb CT - Same as 05 Jan
            22 Feb AFP 15.4 IU/ml
            01 Mar 2nd Path: 100% Checked:Pure Seminoma again, US: Remaining testicle: clear
            Stage 1A - Surveillance
            21 Jan 2017 1 year CT scan - all clear
            AFP keeps coming back borderline elevated (around 11.4)

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            • #7
              Such a controversy subject.

              But studies haven't found any link in TC and wireless phones or WIFI. Here's a meta-analysis on the two principal study groups (Hardell in Sweden and Interphone in France). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19268551

              Cell phone or WIFI produce non-ionizing radiation, which don't cause damage to DNA. Ionizing radiation such as radioactivity of UV waves from sun are proven to cause cancer.

              Here's an incredible chart on radiation : https://xkcd.com/radiation/

              Using a cell phone produce 0 micro-Sievert. In comparison, living in a stone (!) for 1 year will expose you to 70 micro-Sievert.

              jp
              December 15, 2015 : Right I/O. Markers normal.
              December 24, 2015 : Merry Christmas ! 100 % pure EC, no LVI.
              January 7, 2016 : CT scan : 2 RPLN of 8 and 9 mm
              February 2016 : Markers normal.
              March 2016 : Markers normal.
              April 2016 : Abnormal B-HCG (43). 14 mm (from 8) and 10 mm (from 9) lymph nodes.
              April 25, 2016 : Happy birthday ! Relapsed confirmed.
              May 2, 2016 : BEP x 3 begins.
              July 3, 2016 : BEP x 3 ends.
              July 2016 : Serum tumor markers normal. 10 mm (from 14) and 6 mm (from 10) lymph nodes. Back on surveillance !
              December 23, 2016 : Merry Christmas ! Serum tumor markers normal. 6.8 mm (from 10) and no more visible (from 6) lymph nodes. Surveillance continues.
              June 2017 : Serum tumor markers normal. 4 mm (from 7 mm) lymph node. Surveillance continues.

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              • #8
                ...but using a wifi or cell phone close - especially when you have a call without headset can cause the heat - brain for example? (itīs tricky, because there are not lot of studies, we use a wifi or cell phones only several years and usage is still increasing so letīs see...?)
                04/24/2015 – pain in the right testicle – USG confirmed mass, blood results B-HCG = 12 U/l, AFP = 6.14 ug/l, LDH = 9,
                05/05/2015 – I/O (100% Embryonal carcinoma, LVI presented)
                05/06/2015 – post-operative CT scan negative, 2xBEP suggested
                6/2015 - surveillance (my decision)
                7/2015, 9/2015 - markers negative
                9/2015 - 2nd CT negative, 6 months later CT re-checked and found one node which measured 16x12mm
                10/2015, 1/2016, 2/2016 - markers negative
                2/2016 - 3rd CT scan - 2 nodes (border) - 12x8mm, 13x9mm
                3/2016, 5/2016, 8/2016, 11/2016, 2/2017 - markers negative
                2/2017 - 4th CT scan - 11x7mm (was 12x8mm) and 8x5mm (was 16x12mm)
                7/2017 - markers negative

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                • #9
                  Another thought on the subject. Ham radio operators seem to get more cancers than the general public here's one article:

                  http://articles.latimes.com/1988-01-...radio-operator

                  However, keep in mind they are using much higher power levels than used in phones & wifi.
                  Jan, 1975: Right I/O, followed by RPLND
                  Dec, 2009: Left I/O, followed by 3xBEP

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                  • #10
                    I had back problem ever and couldn't sit up for several month. To not to affect my job I put my laptop on the lap working for 3 month and later a lump was found in my left ball. No sure if this is the cause of my TC.
                    15/05/10 - Found lump on lefttesticle
                    09/06/10 - Left I/O
                    06/10 - 100% Classic Seminoma
                    14/07/10 - Adjuvant carboplatin
                    10/07/11 - First Year All Clear
                    15/07-12 - 2nd Year All Clear

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                    Don't always look back, the future is in front.

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                    • #11
                      Just to chime in that for whatever reason I have always carried my cell phone in my left front pocket. I worked in a stationary job where I didn't move around much and had the phone in my pocket 5 days a week 12 hour shifts. And I had seminoma in the left testicle. Part of me thinks hey kinda weird. However I also took a fat burner that got banned that I had made a thread about on here and several other members had said they took it as well. I really think that had something to do with it.
                      Left R/O on 10-9-14. Ct scans all clear.
                      Pure Seminoma stage 1a. no vascular invasion.
                      surveillance started, with chest x-ray 12-3 , blood work 1-22-14.

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                      • #12
                        I'm even terrified to wear my Fitbit now. I'm always going to wonder what went wrong.

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                        • #13
                          Up until recently I was a standing joke in my family as I almost never remembered to carry my mobile phone. I had carried a special function radio pager on my right side front belt loop for 16 hours a day, 7 days a week for almost 15 years before I got my cancer in righty but as I understand it this is just a receiver, no transmission at all.

                          It's interesting to look at various articles and studies on occupational risk for TC. I have two jobs and both have been featured in some higher risk lists I have seen. Whilst there may be an environmental or occupational trigger involved somewhere in converting a genetic predisposition to TC into a case of TC, I can't see what connects Firefighters, Chefs, Radio hams and a few of the other occupations with higher than expected TC rates.

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