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  • Vaan
    Registered User
    • Jun 2016
    • 92

    Post-chemo CT

    Hello to everybody!
    My husband started his last chemo on 15 of June. I would like to know when is the appropriate time for CT scans in order to see the size of residual retroperitoneal mass
  • jpboucher
    Registered User
    • Jan 2016
    • 302

    #2
    Hey Vaan,

    Usually done 4 - 6 weeks after chemo completion.

    All the best for you and your husband,

    Jean-Philippe
    December 15, 2015 : Right I/O. Markers normal.
    December 24, 2015 : Merry Christmas ! 100 % pure EC, no LVI.
    January 7, 2016 : CT scan : 2 RPLN of 8 and 9 mm
    February 2016 : Markers normal.
    March 2016 : Markers normal.
    April 2016 : Abnormal B-HCG (43). 14 mm (from 8) and 10 mm (from 9) lymph nodes.
    April 25, 2016 : Happy birthday ! Relapsed confirmed.
    May 2, 2016 : BEP x 3 begins.
    July 3, 2016 : BEP x 3 ends.
    July 2016 : Serum tumor markers normal. 10 mm (from 14) and 6 mm (from 10) lymph nodes. Back on surveillance !
    December 23, 2016 : Merry Christmas ! Serum tumor markers normal. 6.8 mm (from 10) and no more visible (from 6) lymph nodes. Surveillance continues.
    June 2017 : Serum tumor markers normal. 4 mm (from 7 mm) lymph node. Surveillance continues.

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    • Vaan
      Registered User
      • Jun 2016
      • 92

      #3
      What we should consider chemo completion?? The end of 21 days which is the duration of the cycle or the end off five days where they give you the medicines? Some docs suggest to do ct scans two weeks after the chemo completion while others suggest 4 weeks.

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      • jpboucher
        Registered User
        • Jan 2016
        • 302

        #4
        That's a good question and some docs don't give the same answer.

        In my experience, doctors consider the last bleo shot or the last EP shot to be "chemo completion".

        You can say 2, 4 or 6 weeks but the timing of the CT scan depends on how the doctor will define chemo completion.

        Hope that helps,

        Jean-Philippe
        December 15, 2015 : Right I/O. Markers normal.
        December 24, 2015 : Merry Christmas ! 100 % pure EC, no LVI.
        January 7, 2016 : CT scan : 2 RPLN of 8 and 9 mm
        February 2016 : Markers normal.
        March 2016 : Markers normal.
        April 2016 : Abnormal B-HCG (43). 14 mm (from 8) and 10 mm (from 9) lymph nodes.
        April 25, 2016 : Happy birthday ! Relapsed confirmed.
        May 2, 2016 : BEP x 3 begins.
        July 3, 2016 : BEP x 3 ends.
        July 2016 : Serum tumor markers normal. 10 mm (from 14) and 6 mm (from 10) lymph nodes. Back on surveillance !
        December 23, 2016 : Merry Christmas ! Serum tumor markers normal. 6.8 mm (from 10) and no more visible (from 6) lymph nodes. Surveillance continues.
        June 2017 : Serum tumor markers normal. 4 mm (from 7 mm) lymph node. Surveillance continues.

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        • Davepet
          Registered User
          • Mar 2010
          • 4459

          #5
          Considering that your docs are already leaning towards RPLND, longer is more likely to give the best chance of avoiding the surgery. It can take a while for the tumors to shrink post chemo.

          Dave
          Jan, 1975: Right I/O, followed by RPLND
          Dec, 2009: Left I/O, followed by 3xBEP

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          • Vaan
            Registered User
            • Jun 2016
            • 92

            #6
            Thanks for your responses! I am really anxious about the appropriate timing for the follow up scans and for the RPLND surgery..
            The completion of chemo was at 19/6 and the end of the 21 days cycle is at 5/7. His Dr said to do the scans at 18/7 (4 weeks from his last VIP chemo shot) and then we are going to schedule the PC- RPLND, if it is necessary. Taking into account that the surgery should be performed 4-6 week after chemo is it dangerous for a possible relapse if we couldn't manage to schedule the surgery in the two remaining weeks?

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            • jpboucher
              Registered User
              • Jan 2016
              • 302

              #7
              I don't think so.

              Here are the odds of what's left after chemo :

              - 70 % necrosis : no problem to wait
              - 25 % teratoma : slow growing, so no problem to wait a couple of weeks
              - 5 % active cancer : might be a problem if agressive tumor, but usually no problem if we're talking in term of weeks.

              jp
              December 15, 2015 : Right I/O. Markers normal.
              December 24, 2015 : Merry Christmas ! 100 % pure EC, no LVI.
              January 7, 2016 : CT scan : 2 RPLN of 8 and 9 mm
              February 2016 : Markers normal.
              March 2016 : Markers normal.
              April 2016 : Abnormal B-HCG (43). 14 mm (from 8) and 10 mm (from 9) lymph nodes.
              April 25, 2016 : Happy birthday ! Relapsed confirmed.
              May 2, 2016 : BEP x 3 begins.
              July 3, 2016 : BEP x 3 ends.
              July 2016 : Serum tumor markers normal. 10 mm (from 14) and 6 mm (from 10) lymph nodes. Back on surveillance !
              December 23, 2016 : Merry Christmas ! Serum tumor markers normal. 6.8 mm (from 10) and no more visible (from 6) lymph nodes. Surveillance continues.
              June 2017 : Serum tumor markers normal. 4 mm (from 7 mm) lymph node. Surveillance continues.

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              • Vaan
                Registered User
                • Jun 2016
                • 92

                #8
                Thank you for your answer. I thought that the persentages were a bit different (45% Necrosis, 45% teratoma, 10% active cancer). Am I wrong?

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                • Chemin
                  Registered User
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 137

                  #9
                  My son was given similar breakdown of percentages as jp mentioned. The ctscan was recommended to be done 4-6 weeks after last bleomycin.
                  9/6/13 Left I/O. 18 year old son diagnosed 9/13/13 Stage 2C. Path report: embryonal and yolk sac with spermatic cord involvement and lymphatic invasion BEP x 3 finished 11/25/13. PC-RPLND with Dr. Foster at IU on 1/21/14. Found only dead cancer! Surveillance as of 1/23/14. All clear as of 5/2018.

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                  • Vaan
                    Registered User
                    • Jun 2016
                    • 92

                    #10
                    Thanks again for your helpful responses. Maybe the percentages depending on the tumor's synthesis..but I prefer the higher chance of necrosis!

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                    • jpboucher
                      Registered User
                      • Jan 2016
                      • 302

                      #11
                      Percentages have been taken off this meta-analysis of nearly 600 patients who have PC-RPLND : http://meetinglibrary.asco.org/content/107014-134

                      Jean-Philippe
                      December 15, 2015 : Right I/O. Markers normal.
                      December 24, 2015 : Merry Christmas ! 100 % pure EC, no LVI.
                      January 7, 2016 : CT scan : 2 RPLN of 8 and 9 mm
                      February 2016 : Markers normal.
                      March 2016 : Markers normal.
                      April 2016 : Abnormal B-HCG (43). 14 mm (from 8) and 10 mm (from 9) lymph nodes.
                      April 25, 2016 : Happy birthday ! Relapsed confirmed.
                      May 2, 2016 : BEP x 3 begins.
                      July 3, 2016 : BEP x 3 ends.
                      July 2016 : Serum tumor markers normal. 10 mm (from 14) and 6 mm (from 10) lymph nodes. Back on surveillance !
                      December 23, 2016 : Merry Christmas ! Serum tumor markers normal. 6.8 mm (from 10) and no more visible (from 6) lymph nodes. Surveillance continues.
                      June 2017 : Serum tumor markers normal. 4 mm (from 7 mm) lymph node. Surveillance continues.

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