Did you thought what you can differently in order to avoid TC-cancer?

**EKL** · 07-10-12, 07:27 PM

On my case I blame the electronic devices around me that produced high amount of electric magnetic field (EMF), what’s about you? any thought?

**S P** · 07-10-12, 07:41 PM

There is no link to electronic devices as being a risk factor for TC as far as I'm aware. Being white, exposure to chemicals, having an undescended testicle, being a teen to 50ish in age are the major risk factors I think.

**EKL** · 07-11-12, 12:54 PM

I heard the same thing from our mutual doctor, I believe that I did a mistake by exposed myself above the EMF standards (no childhood history nor family history),

During this process I also observed that no one really collected my subjective assessment in order to correlate this information for the future

As I already took the hit, I thought on contribute the world some sort of data warehouse (web site) that can collect the data and enable group of people to response how likely it relevant to them, then research can analyze the data and get some leads…

Any 2nd thought?

related to this subject

Fyi,

http://www.ehib.org/emf/RiskEvaluation/Chapter12.pdf

Summary of results:
2 · No dose-response relationship
3 · About 10% increase in risk in medium- and high-exposure groups
4 · Clear differences between results for men and women
5 Notable associations found in men:
6 · Colon
7 · Biliary passages and liver
8 · Larynx and lung
9 · Testis and kidney
10 · Urinary organs
11 · Malignant melanoma
12 · Non-melanoma skin cancer
13 · Astrocytoma III-IV
14 Notable associations found in women:
15 · Lung
16 · Breast
17 · Corpus uteri
18 · Malignant melanoma
19 · Chronic lymphocytic leukemia

**Fed** · 07-11-12, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by EKL

On my case I blame the electronic devices around me that produced high amount of electric magnetic field (EMF), what’s about you? any thought?

I don't buy it. Current evidence points to germ cell tumors becoming established in utero (the existence and location of extragonadal germ cell tumors supports this hypothesis).

**Stgreed** · 07-11-12, 10:44 PM

I'm not saying that I believe in the EMF theory. But it is interesting that the cases have gone up and the 18-35 age grouping. This is the same grouping for your average gamers. The introduction of the ps3 and Xbox 360 brought wireless controllers which give off EMF.

**Davepet** · 07-12-12, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by Stgreed

I'm not saying that I believe in the EMF theory. But it is interesting that the cases have gone up and the 18-35 age grouping. This is the same grouping for your average gamers. The introduction of the ps3 and Xbox 360 brought wireless controllers which give off EMF.

Well, the 18-35 group is now & always has been the most common group to get TC, & I read recently that the number of cases per year has almost doubled over the last 20 years or so.They do not know why, sure, it might be EMF, but hardly seems the most likely cause.

You won't hurt yourself by limiting your exposure to EMF, but I doubt you'll gain anything either.

Dave

**Paul54** · 07-12-12, 05:31 AM

I believe that the root causes for TC very likely came from something you and/or your mother were exposed to before or during your womb development. I can recall research into all sorts of electronics causing TC including cell phones, radar guns and microwave ovens. When microwave ovens first came out, many leaked radiation like a sieve. There were never any definitive links. I think the main culprits are chemicals.
Paul

**EKL** · 07-12-12, 09:01 AM

Thanks all for sharing, i enjoy to learn your perspective on this subject

Are you aware that countries outside of the US set a standards in order to reduce the EMF exposer

http://www.who.int/peh-emf/standards/en/

I saw that many read the thread,

I would like to make this a bit more subjective discussion, in retrospect do you think you can do something differently in order to avoid the TC?

**hbr777** · 07-12-12, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Fed

I don't buy it. Current evidence points to germ cell tumors becoming established in utero (the existence and location of extragonadal germ cell tumors supports this hypothesis).

I agree. This jibes with what I read. These are germ cell neoplasms. Now what makes them decide to start growing after being dormant for years (in my husband's case - 50 years)? That's a whole other issue

**jeffsonxl** · 07-12-12, 12:38 PM

This is an interesting topic, I am not saying TC is related to get too much to electronic stuff, this is just my case. I got Slipped discs half a year before I was diagnosed TC which force me could only lay down on the bed and I had to put my laptop on my leg to keep working, it last almost 3 months, then TC came. I'm not sure if this is related but sometimes I blamed myself why not just lay down to take rest and forget work when I got slipped discs. now all is past, and all I'm looking at is how to face my future life positively and don't let this stupid cancer stand in my way, get back to my normal track.

**S P** · 07-12-12, 07:06 PM

Better diagnostic abilities from modern CT and MRI scan technologies are a big part of the reason why more cancers are being diagnosed now than 20 years ago. My wife is an MD and told me this personally. The US FCC and other regulatory bodies such as ETSI in Europe also have tons of specifications on emissions limits, and the FCC also specifically addresses the specific absorption rate (SAR) allowed from things like cellular phones.

http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/spec...lar-telephones

Bluetooth and wireless controllers for gaming consoles are extremely lower power devices and aren't spitting out tons of RF energy, even the transmitters in the remotes. Cellular phones are probably the most dangerous thing because they transmit at fairly high power levels right next to your head. However even for that I don't think there's been any conclusive links between cellular phone use and brain cancers. All non-ionizing RF energy does is heat tissue.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f...isk/cellphones

Ionizing radiation is more dangerous, such as radiation treatments for cancer, x-rays, CT scans, etc. There's actually been some suggestions of higher rates of cancer for people that are exposed to a lot of radiation from CT scans, for example. Don't think it was truly conclusive, but the data gave the suggestion of that possibility. I think CT scans and things like that are of much greater concern than your xbox.

**Nut of Mordor** · 07-12-12, 07:12 PM

I believe the cause of my TC was the orchidopessy + inguinal hernia surgery I had back in 1988.

**MJR** · 07-13-12, 01:17 AM

I've been diagnosed with 2 different types of cancer, one in which I was at risk for and another I was at very low risk for. Its hard for me not to suspect chemicals as having played some sort of role.

I used to work with some pretty nasty stuff during my years employed by an industrial glue manufacturer. Before I took this job I went 10+ years without the need to see a doctor other than an annual physical and I rarely suffered from even so much as the common cold.

Ethylenediamine, hexamethylenediamine and 68% Aqueous Piperazine, amoung others, were the sorts of chemicals I started working with, all of which can melt your skin off at room temperature. They also attack the central nervous system. Within a few years of working with these chemicals I began having serious respiratory issues, despite using all protective measures at my disposal. It wasn't long after that I was diagnosed with TC. I stayed with the job a year after the diagnosis and throughout my radiation treatments before leaving. Within 3 years I was again diagnosed with cancer, this time of the thyroid.

Like TC, only about 5-10% of thyroid nodules are cancerous. Of that 10%, women are 3-5 times more likely then men to have it. Of the men who do get it, something like 60% are aged 55 or older, with men in their 70's at highest risk. And yet here I am at 39 with it.

I've never been known to be particularly lucky, but my luck can't be THAT bad....

**davidhanson90** · 07-13-12, 01:57 AM

So I don't believe emf is a cause of cancer unless you work in extremely high levels of it, like under a tv transmitter or something.

I'm a software developer by trade and spend lots of time sitting. I had theories that temperature while sitting had something to do with it but that's just guess work.

My real thoughts now is that mine was due to my mums passive smoking during pregnancy & me passive smoking during childhood as my dad smokes like a chimney.

**zesasmom** · 07-13-12, 04:42 AM

I have thought over and over what could have caused my son to develop tc. We are a family of "health nuts". Eli grew up with only.organic food grass fed meat no smoking in our house. No chemicals. Perfect pregnancy and natural birth. Eli has never even taken antibiotics as any minor illness was treated with homeopathic or natural drs. However eli being in his twenties and im sure as a late teen did his share of parties and drinking but never smoked. He has played a lot of video games with the controller on his lap and recently told me yes he did always keep his cell phone in his left pocket and it was his left i/o. So maybe that has something to do with this but his brother and friends are fine and they did the same so i have no idea. Beyond my understanding.

**TC_Warrior** · 07-20-12, 01:51 PM

I don't know what cuased mine. I do work on radios in the USAF. I don't know if the RF(radio frequency) radiation had anything to do with it. I am pretty sure it didnt help. I do know that humans are bombarded with tons of RF radiation on a daily basis do to the increase of wireless devices. My understanding is that the human body is fairly resistant to certain frequencies of RF. However High power transmissions at certain frequencies can cuase definite damage. Exaclty the same way your Microwave works at home. My whole career I have been pretty diligent about safely working around RF. However who knows if those safety standards, or work places were as safe as I was taught. Working in buildings surrounded by hundreds of transmitters with antennas overhead seems like a risk the military was ready to take for the mission. As for now, I can't focus on why or what, but how to beat it.

**34with1** · 07-20-12, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by TC_Warrior

As for now, I can't focus on why or what, but how to beat it.

That was my thing during treatment. No matter how I got it, I HAD it, and my only concern was to get through treatment and get rid of it.

My dad couldn't deal with that and asked the doctor directly what caused my cancer. My doctor said that the cause was "the planet Earth."

LIFE is the greatest cause of cancer! But yet we go on living it as long as we can, as we all should!

**Paul54** · 07-21-12, 05:06 AM

If we go all the way back, I suppose the root cause of TC is that a sperm with a Y chromosome won the race to your mom's egg. And here you are. Rejoice in life, with all its adventures and challenges.

**milwaukeejoe** · 10-09-12, 10:56 AM

Just bad luck.

**TGlover** · 10-10-12, 05:15 PM

I thought my lifestyle, as im in overweight unhealthy etc... but growing up I had to have operations to lower both testes so it could be from that.

In the end though, I think it is just bad luck... or good luck, as it could have been a more aggressive kind of cancer...

**LeftOneGone** · 10-10-12, 06:55 PM

I don't think there's any correlation between RF signals cell phones or other electronic devices. We all use them each and everyday of our lives and yet not everyone gets this crappy disease.

I had and still have a hard time accepting my diagnosis and this relapse sword that keeps hanging over my head. And for that I've tried finding the root cause for this because if I can than it makes it easier to accept because I'll have something or someone to blame.

And that means I'm living in the past...and I need to live today and look towards my future. It's not easy to leave the reasoning to the scientists but that's what I try to do every day. Eventually I'll succeed and be much best for it.

Just my two cents for whatever it's worth.

**Mom2One** · 11-06-12, 09:34 PM

My son has played video games his entire life. But I'd guess the fact that I worked for a fish processing plant while I was pregnant, and took advantage of the wholesale fish and seafood prices, and free salmon trim for most of my protein had more to do with it. The FDA warnings about mercury levels didn't come out until 2004.