It is good to finally see a stronger recommendation for carboplatin therapy for stage I seminoma. Dr. Oliver just presented his data on carboplatin at ASCO too.
http://www.renalandurologynews.com/S...rticle/116119/
The NCCN Clinical Practice Guidelines for the treatment of Testicular Cancer have been updated, and there are several major changes noted:
- All three management strategies for stage I-A and I-B seminoma (surveillance, adjuvant radiation and adjuvant chemotherapy) are rated "category 1", meaning that there is a uniform consensus among experts on their recommendation as approved treatment.
- Post-chemotherapy surgical resection of residual masses (> 3 cm) for seminoma patients is now considered an option, though not by uniform consensus.
- Poor risk, stage III-C non-seminoma patients have the option of going straight into 4xVIP (etoposide, ifosfamide, cisplatin) as primary chemotherapeutic treatment instead of 4xBEP in cases where tolerance for bleomycin might be a problem.
Note: The "discussion" write-up at the end of the guidelines has not been updated yet. The manuscript is currently in the works.
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11.22.06 -Dx the day before Thanksgiving
12.09.06 -Rt I/O; 100% seminoma, multifocal; Stage I-A; Surveillance; Six years out! Final follow-up: 07/2014.
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It is good to finally see a stronger recommendation for carboplatin therapy for stage I seminoma. Dr. Oliver just presented his data on carboplatin at ASCO too.
http://www.renalandurologynews.com/S...rticle/116119/
It is good to see single-agent carboplatin moving up the ladder of confidence and efficacy. I note, however, that the Follow-up protocol (scans, etc.) for carboplatin is still the same frequency as for Surveillance instead of the more relaxed frequency for XRT. Perhaps that will be changed as this draft moves along to final version. Otherwise, the assumption is that the board does not entirely agree that carbo reduces recurrence probability to the same low level as XRT.
Per the article Mike linked, and which I've seen elsewhere, if the findings that carbo significantly reduces the probability of developing a secondary (TC-2) is validated by another study, that alone would be a very compelling reason to jump on the bandwagon.
"Statistics are human beings with the tears wiped off" - Paul Brodeur
Diagnosis: 05Sept07 Right I/O: 13Sept07; Pure Seminoma; Surveillance only per NCCN: All Clear February2013 (Chest Xray, Markers); Next check August2013 (CT Scans, Markers)
It's good to see this updated set of guidelines, although I'd be interested in seeing more said about bilateral cases (notably where the most extensive XRT field was used for TC1) as the justification that I've been given for my aggressive surveillance (certainly more aggressive than for classic stage IA seminoma) is precisely the fact that I'm bilateral and had prior full-field XRT. I suppose the guidelines are just that - guidelines - but it would be interesting to see a discussion in them of cases that don't quite fit the established categories.
TC1: 1996, right orchiectomy, seminoma stage I 3.5 cm mass, radiation therapy (peri-aortic & pelvic 27.3 Gy)
TC2: 2008, left orchiectomy, seminoma stage IA 5 cm mass, left & right prostheses, AndroGel TRT, surveillance at MSKCC
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The write-up at the end of the NCCN guidelines has been updated to reflect the most recent recommendations for treatment.
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11.22.06 -Dx the day before Thanksgiving
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right inguinal orchiectomy 6/5/2003 > nonseminoma, stage I > surveillance > L-RPLND 6/24/2005 for recurrence, suspected teratoma but found seminoma, stage II > chylous ascites until 9/2005 > surveillance and "all clear" since
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The NCCN Clinical Practice Guidelines for the treatment of testicular cancer have been updated to v.1.2010. Among the most notable changes are the following:
- The term "salvage therapy" has been renamed "second-line therapy".
- High-dose chemotherapy has been added as a validated treatment option.
- Follow-up abdominal/pelvic CT scans for surveillance 6+ years post-treatment should only be done as "clinically indicated". Also, there is clarification noting that patients who have undergone an RPLND need not be followed by CT scan as long as they have a baseline read after surgery. Patients who have gone through chemotherapy alone should still have CT scans as indicated in the schedule.
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11.22.06 -Dx the day before Thanksgiving
12.09.06 -Rt I/O; 100% seminoma, multifocal; Stage I-A; Surveillance; Six years out! Final follow-up: 07/2014.
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Scott, scott@tc-cancer.com
right inguinal orchiectomy 6/5/2003 > nonseminoma, stage I > surveillance > L-RPLND 6/24/2005 for recurrence, suspected teratoma but found seminoma, stage II > chylous ascites until 9/2005 > surveillance and "all clear" since
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I just caught the post regarding cat scans and no longer needing every year if chemo and RPLND were done.....Chris just had his fifth cat scan....so now we should be set, correct? Even if teratoma was present, I presume...this is wonderful news knowing cat scan exposure would not be needed unless there were some problem...I would appreciate any feedback regarding my assumptions here....what good news to tell Chris..thanks for the information Mary Ellen
Jason is 6 years from diagnosis on April 30th. He has his last cat scan this week. From now on it will be blood work and x-rays to keep a watch on those stupid lung spots.
Son Jason diagnosed 4/30/04, stage III. Right I/O 4/30/04. Graduated College 5/13/04. 4XEP 6/7/04 - 8/13/04. Full open RPLND 10/13/04. All Clear since.
Treated by Dr. Rakowski of Midland Park, NJ. Visited Sloan Kettering for protocol advice. RPLND done at Sloan Kettering.
Hello Fed, I just read your summary on CT scans for RPLND patients. That would not apply in Joe's case would it? Given that his tertoma tranformed to adenocarcinoma and it is only identifiable by CTs and not bloodwork? He goes tomorrow for his 1 year and is hoping to get moved to every 4 months from 2 months. Hope all is well. Dawn
Joe
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Son Joe diagnosed 11/10/08 Nonseminoma Stage llB
2 enlarged abdominal lymph nodes
Right I/O 11/14/08
Chemo 3xBEP completed 1/28/08
lymph node growth during chemo
RPLND 3/12/09 - tumor and vena cava path now
adenocarcinoma
Unable to see the document... wish I could, because I need some hard evidence to present to Nick's doc in case she wants to delay cycle 3 (already 2 was delayed by a week). I have been unable to find a thing and I can't very well say, "oh, I saw it on a forum," to a doctor---they don't usually take kindly to that.![]()
~Carole
Son Nick, age 25
2/26/2010 Left I/O
100% Seminoma, Stage IIC
6cm Tumor in abdomen w/ lymph involvement
Started 3X BEP 3/29/2010
*ALL CLEAR 9/15/10!!!*
Lung clot dissolved!
The guidelines are available at no charge after you register with the website: http://www.nccn.org/
Scott, scott@tc-cancer.com
right inguinal orchiectomy 6/5/2003 > nonseminoma, stage I > surveillance > L-RPLND 6/24/2005 for recurrence, suspected teratoma but found seminoma, stage II > chylous ascites until 9/2005 > surveillance and "all clear" since
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Thanks, snagged it.
~Carole
Son Nick, age 25
2/26/2010 Left I/O
100% Seminoma, Stage IIC
6cm Tumor in abdomen w/ lymph involvement
Started 3X BEP 3/29/2010
*ALL CLEAR 9/15/10!!!*
Lung clot dissolved!
The NCCN Clinical Practice Guidelines for the treatment of testicular cancer have been updated to v.1.2011. These are available free of charge after registration with the site. Unlike other versions, there are numerous updates mostly clarifying several terms. Aside from these clarifications, here are some of the most significant changes:
• For a diagnosis, an ultrasound is now required (the older versions used to say "recommended").
• A patient that presents with rapidly increasing levels of beta-HCG, symptoms of metastasis, and a testicular mass can skip the I/O and begin chemotherapy immediately (this is presumably to stymie the spread of choriocarcinoma).
• While all three management strategies are equally accepted, surveillance is now considered the preferred treatment for stage I-A and I-B seminoma. XRT is the preferred treatment if the pathology report states the primary tumor is pT3 or greater than 4 cm or for stage I-S disease.
• The upper limit for dosing radiation in seminoma has been reduced. For adjuvant XRT and stage I-S disease, the maximum dose was lowered from 30 Gy to 25 Gy and for stage II-A or II-B from 40 Gy to 35 Gy.
• 1xBEP has been added as an alternative (without full consensus) to 2xBEP for adjuvant chemotherapy for stage I-B nonseminoma.
• The surveillance intervals for stage I-A and I-B nonseminoma have been spread out. The same applies to surveillance post-RPLND or complete response to chemotherapy.
• The Guidelines now recommend that patients with recurrent nonseminoma be treated at centers of expertise. On a similar vein, they also recommend that patients having a post-chemotherapy RPLND should have their surgeries performed at high volume centers.
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11.22.06 -Dx the day before Thanksgiving
12.09.06 -Rt I/O; 100% seminoma, multifocal; Stage I-A; Surveillance; Six years out! Final follow-up: 07/2014.
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Fed,
Thanks for posting the update and summary of changes!
Retired moderator. Husband, left I/O 16Dec2005, stage I seminoma with elevated b-HCG, no LVI, RTx15 (25Gy). All clear ever since.
I also noticed that the follow-up for Stage I Seminoma has changed the x-ray frequency from alternative visits to "as clinically indicated".
Kevin
2 Feb 2009 - GP, Urologist, ultrasound (all in one day!)
3 Feb 2009 - Right I/O, Stage 1B (pT2) - Seminoma - 4.5cm tumor, LVI+, Rete Testis "appears negative"
Pathology 2nd opinion (MSKCC): Rete Testis involvement confirmed
Treatment 2xCarboplatin: 10 Mar 2009 (800mg)/31 Mar 2009 (860mg)
Surveillance (NCCN protocol) - through June 2012 -- All Clear
The NCCN Guidelines have been updated to version 2.2011. The only change is a re-write of the discussion section to reflect the changes made in version 1.2011. The link to the Guidelines is a few posts above.
"Life moves pretty fast; if you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it." -Ferris Bueller
11.22.06 -Dx the day before Thanksgiving
12.09.06 -Rt I/O; 100% seminoma, multifocal; Stage I-A; Surveillance; Six years out! Final follow-up: 07/2014.
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The latest version of the NCCN Guidelines 1.2012 has been posted.
Major revision throughout - everyone should take a look. The biggest changes are a significant reduction in the recommended number and frequency of CT scans for for follow-up of Seminoma, especially following Carboplatin. Here are a couple of highlights
Seminoma
- Surveillance only: CT every 6 months for years 1-2, every 6-12 mo for year 3, then annually for years 4-5 (used to continue for 10 years). Chest x-rays as clinically indicated.
- Follow-up following Carbo: CT annually for years 1-3 (used to continue for 10 years). Chest x-rays as clinically indicated.
- Follow up following RT: Ab/Pelvic CT annually for 3 yrs (for only para-aortic RT) (used to be pelvic CT only). Chest x-rays as clinically indicated.
RT - big new section on how to plan radiation fields and dosages.
Non-seminoma - it looks mainly like clarification of some wording.
Kevin
2 Feb 2009 - GP, Urologist, ultrasound (all in one day!)
3 Feb 2009 - Right I/O, Stage 1B (pT2) - Seminoma - 4.5cm tumor, LVI+, Rete Testis "appears negative"
Pathology 2nd opinion (MSKCC): Rete Testis involvement confirmed
Treatment 2xCarboplatin: 10 Mar 2009 (800mg)/31 Mar 2009 (860mg)
Surveillance (NCCN protocol) - through June 2012 -- All Clear
Thanks for posting the update. Downloaded.![]()
Steve - http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/stevep
February 2011 - DX Stage IIB, 90% Embryonal Carcinoma, 10% Yolk Sac
Mar-May 2011 - EPx4 per Dr. Bosl at MSKCC, administered locally in DC
6-Jun 2011 - post chemo CT shows one lymph node at 1.4cm remaining
22-Jun 2011 - RPLND with Dr. Sheinfeld at MSKCC, all 51 nodes removed negative
Dec 2012 - 1.5 YEARS ALL CLEAR!
Fantastic! Thanks!
Edit: Just spoke to my oncologist -- we are moving to the new followup schedule immediately, which means that I now only have 2-3 CT scans left (knock on wood) instead of 17 under the previous guidelines. Yay!
JPM
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JPM
March 2011: Right I/O, Stage IA classic seminoma, 5.0 x 4.5 x 3.5 cm
May 2011: Single-Agent Carboplatin
Currently ALL CLEAR
I am very curious to see what Dana Farber will recommend for surveillance imaging for seminoma when I get my checkup in a few weeks. We've been told that seminoma presents a significant number of relapses out to ten years. The NCCN 2011 guidelines called for A/P CT's annually for years 5-10. Chest X-rays are done as clinically indicated, by what isn't clear but I assume an A/P relapse. The 2012 guidelines changed that and end all imaging at 5 years.
Since seminoma rarely raises markers, how are we supposed to know if a relapse is occuring after 5 years? The study used to rationalize reduced imaging referenced in the other thread on adjuvant treatment http://www.tc-cancer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16792 covers relapse after adjuvant radiation and carbo but I couldn't find anything specific to surveillance alone. The timeframe of the study is relatively short. There are many other studies out there using longer periods that show how the cumulative chances of relapse do continue increasing beyond 5 years, although the rate change over time does flatten out. The chances of a relapse do not drop to zero (nor does it for non-seminoma).
Let's say the relapse risk for stage I seminoma declines to only 1% per year after 5 years. That means I could be the 1 in 100 that relapses without any indication for years until the tumor was infringing on organs, i.e., suffering pain or physiological effects. I am not volunteering to be the 1.
I didn't volunteer to be the 1 in 250 males that developed TC in my lifetime, nor the 1 in 5000 that developed it after the age of 54.
I will admit that annual CT imaging at and beyond my age has advantages for picking up many other cancers that we face later in life. I think it's worth the small risk of CT radiation causing secondary cancers, particularly since good imaging centers are fine-tuning the amount of radiation down to the minimal levels needed to get the job done.
If I were younger, I might have a different perspective on eliminating CT's as soon as possible. Thoughts?
Paul
"Statistics are human beings with the tears wiped off" - Paul Brodeur
Diagnosis: 05Sept07 Right I/O: 13Sept07; Pure Seminoma; Surveillance only per NCCN: All Clear February2013 (Chest Xray, Markers); Next check August2013 (CT Scans, Markers)
My Oncologist knew these were coming back at the end of year 1 and was trying to get me over to them 2 years ago. We ended up finding some middle ground after many pleasant discussions on the subject. However, this past summer he did state that although frequency may change, he would be seeing me regularly till year 10... maybe he just enjoys the banter?
Paul, although I do share some of your thoughts and anxieties, I think that the guidelines can be negotiated with your caregiver to fit your personal situation. Personally I would be happy to get off the CT schedule, not because I fear radiation exposure but because of the PITA that it is. As far as recurrence after year 5, annual CXR with bloods should be ok.
I know I am supposed to have Mod superpowers, but memory is not part of it and I am not sure if I recall more than perhaps one person that had a recurrence here after 5years on this site, if that.
Best,
Zsolt
Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another; "What! You too? I thought I was the only one." - C.S Lewis
“Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you learn.” - C.S. Lewis
Mass found 11/20/08
Left I/O 11/25/08
Pathology: Seminoma, Stage 1
Surveillance: All Clear since
I had my 6-month survey yesterday at Dana-Farber, which was a chest x-ray, markers and exam by a nurse practitioner. I alternate my oncologist and an NP. My onc is out on maternity leave. The NP was new and as usual got the look like "You're too old for this". Yes, I know. But she's nice plus she's a long-haul touring bicyclist who used to cover much of the territory I ride now. She road the Pan Mass Challenge a couple of times.
Anyway back to the topic, she checked the long-term orders file and told me that mine include annual A/P CT scans through year 7. She wasn't sure about the chest. I'll have to wait until my next visit in August
I don't have the x-ray and marker results yet, but I don't have any reason to suspect anything bad.
P-
"Statistics are human beings with the tears wiped off" - Paul Brodeur
Diagnosis: 05Sept07 Right I/O: 13Sept07; Pure Seminoma; Surveillance only per NCCN: All Clear February2013 (Chest Xray, Markers); Next check August2013 (CT Scans, Markers)
I'm here since less than a year but I already have seen a dude relapsing after 8 years, and another one asking for testosterone issues recently said he relapsed at 5 years and half. On a facebook group I have seen a guy with a reoccurance after 7 years. All of them were seminoma.
But the winner must be the dude who relapsed with chorio after 16 years, must be a 0,001% thing.
- early Apr/11: something is "wrong" in my righty
- 16/Apr/11: ultrasound find a mass in it
- 27/Apr/11: right I/O
- 29/Apr/11: stadiation CT scan shows "all clear"
- May/11: pathology: 1 cm Seminoma (90% necrotic), no RT/LV invasion
- Surveillance....
- March/13: relapse - para aortic node 1.7 cm, waiting for treatment...
With me having my I/O just a few weeks ago I'm brand new to this, but I too am already worried about the period between 5 and 10 years. My thoughts at this early stage in my experiences is that hopefully by then MRI and CT will be proved effective as each other and I'll then pay for a yearly MRI scan between years 5 and 10 myself(the regime here ends CT scans at 5years)
Last edited by steveb_uk; 02-24-12 at 11:43 AM.
I have been managing my own surveillance schedule and thus consult the guidelines for timing. This is the first time I have looked to the 2012 version and I realize that the "clarification" of wording on the nonseminoma follow-up guidelines (slide TEST-12) are rather weird.
The three choices for patient types are:
1) Surveillance only (italics theirs)
2) Complete response to chemo and RPLND (bold mine)
3) RPLND only
Well, what does someone who had chemo (adjuvant) only like myself do? I'm planning to use the "surveillance" schedule, but the presence of the italicized "only" makes it really seem like they're trying to make it clear that this is not for patients who have had any additional treatment. In the treatment chart it clearly shows chemo only as an option, yet for follow-up it acts as if chemo and RPLND are always paired.
Am I missing something and/or an idiot?
Did you have a non-seminoma & got 1 or 2X BEP? If so, I believe you can safely follow table 2. Even though it says chemo *and* RPLND I think they meant to say Chemo with or without RPLND. It is the only thing that makes sense to me, but I could be wrong.
Dave
Jan, 1975: Right I/O, followed by RPLND
Dec, 2009: Left I/O, followed by 3xBEP
Newest version of the NCCN Guidelines (version 1.2013) is now available. Looks to be a fairly minor revision.
http://www.nccn.org/professionals/ph...testicular.pdf
John
JPM
March 2011: Right I/O, Stage IA classic seminoma, 5.0 x 4.5 x 3.5 cm
May 2011: Single-Agent Carboplatin
Currently ALL CLEAR
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